Showing posts with label Human Nature. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Human Nature. Show all posts
Tuesday, May 8, 2018
Wednesday, April 11, 2018
1st TZM member banned tells his story
Of course, they will sugar coat it and make it sound like intelligent planetary management and cite all the ideas that The Club of Rome came up with to convince people to embrace globalism - global warming, resource based economies, human chipping, etc.
— The Culture War (@The_Culture_War) April 11, 2018
I spent some time as part of The Zeitgeist Movement. I was young and naive. It was a good experience, because I rejected it naturally. I wasn't talked out of being a member. I began to ask too many questions and became the first person banned from "the movement for everyone".
— The Culture War (@The_Culture_War) April 11, 2018
That utopia would reboot all humans to a sort of factory setting - that all human behaviour is learned and we could use drugs to basically make everyone the same. I was absolutely horrified that they could even think this was a good idea. It destroys what being human is.
— The Culture War (@The_Culture_War) April 11, 2018
I was raised for the first 12 years of my life in what the media called "a cult", but let me tell you now, the only time I felt like I was part of a sinister cult was my brief stint in TZM. That kind of prepared me for how to deal with the SJW movement.
— The Culture War (@The_Culture_War) April 11, 2018
That sort of got them off my back, because they were now battling with Jones and all the members of his forum. He had the potential to do the movement more damage so they weren't really that concerned about me.
— The Culture War (@The_Culture_War) April 11, 2018
It still bothers me how all my friends within the movement cut me off completely when the leaders told them to. In fact, only one person stood by me and that was some older gay man who was trying to get me into bed.
— The Culture War (@The_Culture_War) April 11, 2018
Thursday, October 14, 2010
Peter Joseph gives advice to TZM Members
Two Quick Points
peterjoseph:
Hello everyone,
I wanted to go through two quick things that I keep seeing around the Internet from both people promoting the movement and denying the movement.
The First Point:
Stop talking about robots and mechanization as though it is THE defining feature of a resource-based economy.
A resource-based economy in and of itself has absolutely nothing to do with mechanization. You will notice that in my second lecture I don't make any comments about mechanization in detail.
Why? Because the system could work perfectly well without mechanization if the values shifted accordingly. A resource-based economy is about resource management and then the re-organizing of labor to be as optimized as possible once the monetary system is removed -- meaning nobody would be forced/enslaved into meaningless occupations which do not have a social role, directly.
So -- if you encounter somebody who says the zeitgeist movement/the venus project is about robots doing everything, do not defend mechanization or anything else. Simply state that mechanization has nothing to do with a resource-based economy in and of itself - rather it is a natural consequence of technological evolution to apply mechanization -it is applied efficiency. The resource-based economy simply carries the trend forward in a more liberal way.
Second point:
When you break it all down -- the only real argument anyone can come up against the movement is the idea that "human nature" will not allow for such a system regardless of how sustainable because there will always be people who want to "abuse you" or whatever. This is classic capitalist free-market/religious propaganda where the illusion is created that anything outside of belligerent self interest as the driving mechanism will generate serfdom and despotic forms of so-called socialism. This is the modus operandi of many subcultures now who have no understanding of anything outside of an old, outdated religious world that views human beings as defined internally and possibly "evil". This is obviously total bullshit and nothing in the world of behavioral science shows such a "non-causal" predisposition. Nothing.
Understanding this -- a resource-based economy defines itself and has no relationship to human society at all in its empirical approach. It does not matter how many human beings there are -- it does not matter how distorted the social climate may be -- it does not matter how many resources there are on the planet -- it does not matter how scarce water is --etc.--the tenants of a resource-based economy still holds true, regardless. The methodology is always the same.
From the standpoint of evolution, I find it extremely improbable that we humans have a "nature" which will not allow us to achieve optimized sustainability on this planet. This is like saying that there is an intrinsic flaw within the human organism which will not allow for it to progress and hence it will self-destruct regardless. It is preprogrammed... there is no evidence for this and again it is extremely improbable.
So- keep those two quick issues in mind as they repeat over and over again out there. I'll add more as they arise.
peterjoseph:
Hello everyone,
I wanted to go through two quick things that I keep seeing around the Internet from both people promoting the movement and denying the movement.
The First Point:
Stop talking about robots and mechanization as though it is THE defining feature of a resource-based economy.
A resource-based economy in and of itself has absolutely nothing to do with mechanization. You will notice that in my second lecture I don't make any comments about mechanization in detail.
Why? Because the system could work perfectly well without mechanization if the values shifted accordingly. A resource-based economy is about resource management and then the re-organizing of labor to be as optimized as possible once the monetary system is removed -- meaning nobody would be forced/enslaved into meaningless occupations which do not have a social role, directly.
So -- if you encounter somebody who says the zeitgeist movement/the venus project is about robots doing everything, do not defend mechanization or anything else. Simply state that mechanization has nothing to do with a resource-based economy in and of itself - rather it is a natural consequence of technological evolution to apply mechanization -it is applied efficiency. The resource-based economy simply carries the trend forward in a more liberal way.
Second point:
When you break it all down -- the only real argument anyone can come up against the movement is the idea that "human nature" will not allow for such a system regardless of how sustainable because there will always be people who want to "abuse you" or whatever. This is classic capitalist free-market/religious propaganda where the illusion is created that anything outside of belligerent self interest as the driving mechanism will generate serfdom and despotic forms of so-called socialism. This is the modus operandi of many subcultures now who have no understanding of anything outside of an old, outdated religious world that views human beings as defined internally and possibly "evil". This is obviously total bullshit and nothing in the world of behavioral science shows such a "non-causal" predisposition. Nothing.
Understanding this -- a resource-based economy defines itself and has no relationship to human society at all in its empirical approach. It does not matter how many human beings there are -- it does not matter how distorted the social climate may be -- it does not matter how many resources there are on the planet -- it does not matter how scarce water is --etc.--the tenants of a resource-based economy still holds true, regardless. The methodology is always the same.
From the standpoint of evolution, I find it extremely improbable that we humans have a "nature" which will not allow us to achieve optimized sustainability on this planet. This is like saying that there is an intrinsic flaw within the human organism which will not allow for it to progress and hence it will self-destruct regardless. It is preprogrammed... there is no evidence for this and again it is extremely improbable.
So- keep those two quick issues in mind as they repeat over and over again out there. I'll add more as they arise.
Thursday, July 30, 2009
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