The Zeitgeist Movement criticize Peter Joseph

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Peter Joseph answers TVP question

TVP Question

Q:
Hi Pete
Myself and some friends are going to attend Jacque Fresco’s 100 birthday party in March and I was wondering if you were going to be there after all this time…since you were the one who basically put them on the map with your movies and TZM’s support it seems like a good idea make amends…i mean, he is so old now. Why any grudge? …also, is there anything about the venus project you no longer agree with?

A:
Hello,
I think it is great people are supporting Fresco’s Bday. He deserves to have a great reception for this efforts. But no, I won’t be there. First, for the sake of community solidarity I have spoken little publicly amount TVP since 2011 as there is no point in sparking tension between what are two groups looking toward similar ends. However, I will break this rule for moment and give you my basic thoughts and you can read into it as you see fit.

I have gotten many hundreds of emails since the TVP/TZM spilt, many also asking a good question. “How can we expect to move forward when the two groups promoting the new direction can’t even get along?
First, this makes assumptions about personal human relationships that are impractical. Sometimes damage occurs on a level that no matter how “Gandhian” we may hope to be, the pain is too strong. I’m sure we have all experienced betrayal by friends or even horribly ending romantic relationships where, even if the parties “forgive” each other, it still isn’t the same. Some pain is physical and lingers no matter what the minds does. Sad to say, I do not respect Jacque and Roxanne enough given their past behavior towards myself and the TZM community. Of course, their personalities have nothing to do with their work towards a better world. I hold no active hard feelings and have been in loose, positive contact with them, wishing them well. TZM as a group has always been supportive. In fact, that was the whole point at the start. To support TVP and we did so by 3 years of helping unaccounted donations, their world tour, event days, etc.

As far as your question regarding “if I disagree with TVP” now, well that depends on which side of it you look at. As an .org TVP is frustrating as Jacque will pass without ever actually providing any technical details about the society he specifically envisions. I meet lots of TVP folks and I often ask them to explain exactly how the resource and labor processes will work in a RBE. I mean technically. How does the design translate? They can’t do it without generalizations and platitudes such as “we have to make all resources common heritage” or “using the scientific method for social concern”. There is no real information in any of that, even though the ideas are good. To date, I have never seen any kind of real technical plan that shows the dynamics. The money funneled from TZM to TVP went I have no idea where and I state that not to question their motives but to show what I think is a kind of incompetence and disregard for taking the next step. I feel this is a viable criticism as we all needed to see real plans, not mere graphics. This is why an enormous amount of time was spent on the third part of The Zeitgeist Movement Defined book to express the function:

which is very crude but at least serves to start an algorithmic modeling that can be understood and transferred. But this isn’t Fresco’s model and I have no idea exactly what he thinks its going to happen on the system level outside of very general relationships. This doesn’t mean he doesn’t know. But he hasn’t released the work, if it exists. Overall, I see little more than talk from TVP after 30-40 years and while one could say the same about TZM, we have only been around for 6 and very soon are going to launch a series of open source, interactive design platforms to start multi-tier modeling of real dynamics. This has to be done if the scientific community will ever take this view seriously...and without extended support, little can be hoped for. To date, no one in the mainstream scientific community has taken this stuff seriously and it isn’t always because they are biased -- they are simply not being given the language they need to make judgments.

As far as the Frescoian RBE model itself, I will say the greatest communicative weakness is the over emphasis on technology and less real attention on changing human values. Big machines creating huge structures isn’t the solution to anything. Yes, a change in values will occur to a large degree, over time, once transition is made. But in 99% of the literature it talks about relieving labor and creating an “abundance” only. In most cases, it doesn’t even clarify what an abundance is. On the surface this seems like enough since it is implied this will change values in the end... but it is only a fraction of the conversation required. We need sociological confirmation through 3rd party study for the theory to be taken seriously.

The “abundance” is only relevant to the degree humans understand its role to ease economic stress/aberrant behavior, knowing however that there will never be a time of total abundance. And this means more than a change of the socioeconomic infrastructure; and while TVP knows this, their materials do not convey it well at all. Implying people can have anything and everything they want isn’t smart, especially in the current culture. The last thing I will comment on is how the powerful influence of others on Jacque’s work should be better known, at least for the sake of shutting down the guru shit. Fresco has fostered and allowed a notorious guru-like culture to breed, regardless of his posturing. He is too centric when he talks and things appear much more novel than they are. I find this problematic in general as people do not explore as much as they need to in furthering intellectual development.

Regardless, Jacque has done a great job of making the work of Buckminster Fuller more accessible and I’m glad he did as Fuller is a hard read. He also refined the general ideas of Technocracy Inc and simplified Thorstein Veblen, while carrying the torch of the raw originator of the RBE in outline: John Adolphus Etzler. His 1833 work “The Paradise within the reach of all Men” shows the exact “train of thought” we all promote. This history is important to know.

Jacque’s work is landmark in the time and energy spent to get to such a place, regardless of any deficiencies and I hope he lives for another 100 years. ~pj

InterReflections joke

Peter Joseph needs more money for InterReflections

Peter Joseph is Hulu famous

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— Peter Joseph (@ZeitgeistFilm) October 21, 2015

Peter Joseph loves Donald Trump

This trailer is now out of date. See description [InterReflections, Film Trailer by Peter Joseph]

JAN 20TH, 2017

Donald Trump goes into full sarcasm mode toward #WomensMarch2018 , disrespecting a country and world in crisis. https://t.co/BnVhXH3IBR

— Zeitgeist Movement (@tzmglobal) January 21, 2018

Zeitards support Ron Paul and Donald Trump for President

Over/under that @SecretService will be paying you a visit?

— Metavinci (@metavinci) March 12, 2020

Your posts are becoming more and more bizarre? Why? Hmmm... How long before Twitter bans you?

— Simon Cicak (@Empathy_Center) April 13, 2020

There a reason you're not getting your message across, your voice isn't attracting any plausible, current or relevant point of view

— Marc Cyr (@MarcCyr2) May 3, 2020

Damn, Peter. Sounds like you’re calling for his assassination.

— 🔥GHOSTRIDER🔥 (@XalphacompleX) June 21, 2020

Slow down

— Emeka Kanu (@emekakanu82) June 21, 2020

I admire you. But you crossed the line with this sentence. Please don't do that.

— Dennis Czirski (@D_Czirski) June 21, 2020

Love all the ignorant fucks wishing for murder just because they're unhappy XD oh lawd y'all are all going to hell just on the principal of being so pathetic

— Jerry Stotch (@bigjere92) June 21, 2020

Please stop pretending that you are ever getting off the couch.

— Q*Bert (@Basami_kani) August 13, 2020

I've been studying the virus with my colleagues since February, but okay, I don't agree with you so it makes me a troll. Sorry I didn't bow to your superior epidemiological knowledge and just looked up the Johns Hopkins mortality analysis.

— Karen Stopford (@ckstopford) October 25, 2020

This is utterly beneath you Peter

— Okodee (@Okodee) October 24, 2020

Peter Joseph you went from thoughtful analysis of our monetary system and hierarchical structures to SJW race-baiting, name-calling, and anger porn.

What happened man?

— Davie Donna (@Davie_Donna) October 25, 2020

As an educated man, if you think Biden isn't worse than Trump, you've not been paying attention. And I'm a registered Democrat who loathes the man. Yet there you go spending time to find a tweet 7 years old. Cause you know, the DNC needs your help.

— Marc Ruby 🌹🏌️‍♂️🚘🚀🔭🧬⛳ (@BluecordPoet) October 25, 2020

I expected so much more from you than simple minded pettiness. Wish you peace and a detox bro. Unfollowing.

— Humanitarian Bombing ®️ (@distortionloop) December 14, 2020

Block anyone who you disagree with...
Damn you are washed up...
What happened to you?

— Dr. Kooobiekoobiedoo (@DoctorKingKuber) December 14, 2020

Idk, looks to me like you are more of a four year old throwing a tantrum here.

— Sean Toomey (@toomfly7) January 4, 2021

Wow you act like a grown-up.

One who is a 3 year old yelling like a fussy brat because he didn’t get his way.

— Data Scientist (@AIOverlord777) January 4, 2021

He's more interesting than most. And I don't support censorship, regardless of who's "side"

— Don't Turn Your Backs On Mort Sahl and Ralph Nader (@BidenShit) April 11, 2021

Can't we just drone this guy?

— High_Plains_Drifter (@HiPlain_Drifter) April 11, 2021

And you Peter Joseph, even in the hole there wouldn't be enough earth to close your big mouth👊

— ♻️🇪🇸♻️Xavier Delgado ♻️🇨🇵♻️ (@xdelgado_xavier) April 11, 2021

Dear Mainstream Media:
If you don’t want Trump back in office, stop talking about him.
Every other news article is about him. The quest for ratings is what will bring formal, totalitarian fascism—as a significant percentage of the American population is now straight up stupid.

— Peter Joseph (@ZeitgeistFilm) October 15, 2021

Trump is every bit as corrupt as Biden. I am not being "hip." I just don't belong to a cult.

— Alexander4Congress (@Alexander4Cong1) January 12, 2022

Agreed.

Trump is rated higher in terms of being a psychopath than Hitler is. He's got the narcissism, striving for power at any cost, nonchalant lying and lack of empathy.
Sure, Hillary Clinton is also relatively high.
But Biden isn't a sociopath. That alone matters.

— Michael Kubler (@kublermdk) January 12, 2022

I'm having a hard time with your defense of Hitler.

— Alexander4Congress (@Alexander4Cong1) January 12, 2022

Reinstate former President Trump

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 19, 2022

The people have spoken.

Trump will be reinstated.

Vox Populi, Vox Dei. https://t.co/jmkhFuyfkv

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 20, 2022

And lead us not into temptation … pic.twitter.com/8qNOXzwXS9

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 21, 2022

Under pressure from hundreds of activist employees, Twitter deplatforms Trump, a sitting US President, even though they themselves acknowledge that he didn’t violate the rules: https://t.co/60PplztV4k

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 12, 2022

5th Zeitgeist Media Festival

Someone moves on from the Venus Project

Peter Joseph pays for book reviews

Credit: Justin Templer Sr.

Peter Joseph wants people to suffer

Credit: Justin Templer Sr.

Peter Joseph goes after Ray Kurzweil

The more I listen to Ray Kurzweil, the more I realize how detached he is becoming from reality. I wouldn't debase... http://t.co/JiNpXtXbiW

— Peter Joseph (@ZeitgeistFilm) July 5, 2015

"Men's Only"

HOST: METal

MESSAGE: Taking an evolutionary view of economics, coupled with modern revelations in human psychology, environmental synergy and the basis of true social stability, Peter Joseph presents a new economic train of thought based on natural law science. Since the great divergence from the Malthusian trap in the 19th century, human society now plows toward the dawn of a dramatic transition. The march of job removing labor automation, the extreme overshoot of global resource use, the fact virtually all life support systems are now in decline, the looming pollution induced climate disaster, along with the modern sociological reality that the competitive business ethic has proven to create more harm than good - are just a few of the issues to be discussed. The end realization is that in order to pull humanity out of the tailspin it is currently in, radical shifts, as revealed by scientific investigation and technological trends, must occur and quickly.

The solution arrived at is called a Natural Law/Resource-Based Economy. This new type of socioeconomic system, one that transcends the need for money and trade as we know it, has the potential to vastly improve the world, create profound social stability, and true balance with our habitat. Some features of this model include applying advanced networking systems to gain improved economic feedback, synergetic AI programming tied to resource applications, applied automation in the interest to remove direct human labor and maximize efficiency, along with open-source product design/development to maximize engineering efficacy.

Peter Joseph is an American filmmaker, author and social activist. He founded The Zeitgeist Movement, a grassroots network with hundreds of chapters across the world. Joseph has lectured on the subjects of cultural/social sustainability, the importance of critical thought, and the social role of the arts and scientific literacy.

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WHAT: End of Capitalism

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WHEN: June 20th 2015, 9 AM - 12:15 PM

TZM praises DJ Bassnectar

Famous DJ Bassnector sources Zeitgeist: The Movie ending.

Nice... http://t.co/9wL7eqJp60

— Zeitgeist Movement (@tzmglobal) June 1, 2015

EDM DJ Bassnectar Sued for Sex Trafficking and Child Porn https://t.co/ERseFVVFKx

— TMZ (@TMZ) April 5, 2021

The Zeitgeist Movement gets compared to Technocracy

The Dark Agenda Behind the Resource-Based Economy

The Zeitgeist Movement's death explained

And 90 days later#TheZeitgeistMovement #PeterJoseph #TZM #NLRBE #interreflections pic.twitter.com/z5fM5M4TV7

— Rebuking RBE Myths (@MythsRbe) March 16, 2020

Ryan Acumen no longer defends the Zeitgeist Movement

Credit: Justin Templer Sr.

If InterReflections gets extra funds

your main gold is to spread a train of thought as much as possible. isn't it?
I have no problem paying to watch it, and actually I both bought your book and audiobook, but your point is not to make profits but to spread a train of thought.
How do you do that if it is not free?

— 賴永順 (@john82918) November 2, 2019

 

please dont stream it. i'm $75,000 in personal debt because of this project

— Peter Joseph (@ZeitgeistFilm) October 6, 2020

It will eventually be online for free with advertisements. Sorry to say I’m $75,000 in personal debt

— Peter Joseph (@ZeitgeistFilm) October 6, 2020

How about you spend $500,000 on a movie, going into great debt/ near poverty - then come back to me about "free distribution".

— Peter Joseph (@ZeitgeistFilm) October 9, 2020

InterReflections fundraising begins

Indiegogo Fundraiser for InterReflections.https://t.co/QILhs4ve5o... http://t.co/OujZm2Fjdt

— Peter Joseph (@ZeitgeistFilm) May 3, 2015

Peter Merola asks unemployed slackers for money

InterReflections - by Peter Joseph

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